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Hi, I didn't see a property for entering accreditation info for an Educational Institution. I'd like to request it be added if it doesn't yet exist. It should include the authority that gives the accreditation as well.
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Should be easy enough to do; I think I had mocked something up awhile back but there wasn't much interest at the time. I'll try to dig it up. Any thoughts on a data source?
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I was right -- I had messed with this before:
https://sandbox.freebase.com/view/education/accreditation
Let me know what you think. I'll post this to data-modeling as well.
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I like the model.
In terms of data source within the US the Department of Education has a public-facing database that allows searches:
It doesn't support returning all results at once (too many, says the web site). Choosing the "WASC, Accrediting Commission for Schools" as the accrediting agency, however, I got 209 results back: not bad. Getting to the year of accreditation requires an additional mouse click, but I'm sure someone on the data team can figure out a more automatic way of getting all the data in one piece. Better yet, perhaps the Department of Education would be willing to share this data with the Freebase community in a more portable format.
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I noticed there are 4 entries for Burlington School District. My guess is they are for different Burlingtons, however none have anything to determine which are which. And I'm sure there are other school districts that share names.
Should we just assign states to these topics, or is there a way to figure out what the individual topics are for?
I don't want to tag one as Vermont, for example, if it is already linked elsewhere in some way that I can't see.
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They are definitely for different Burlingtons. We are working on getting more information about them loaded, like connecting them to schools and cities, but I couldn't say when that will be done. We might be able to at least put them in states for now, which should help a little bit. We've also unhidden the LEAID property, which is just a unique identifier used by the NCES; it's not very interesting, but it should at least let people know that these are different districts, even if it's not readily obvious which district it is. If you want to help out with these efforts, let me know, and I'll put you in touch with the people working on this project.
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Yes, the LEAID should help so we don't assign the wrong locations and schools, etc to the districts. Thanks
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A very interesting and necessary new property is Notorious Professors
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Professors (and any other faculty or staff) can be added using the "employees" property on the "employer" type. (All educational institutions should be typed as Employer; if one isn't, feel free to add the Employer type.) If you want to add non-faculty professors (visiting professors, research fellows, and the like), you can add the "academic institution" type, which has properties for these types of roles.
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Certainly, but I do not mean "normal" professors but real famous ones such as Nobel Prize Winners, notorious artists who teach, and so on... Every institution has some famous alumni and it would be nice to have a place where one can list the exceptional teachers as well. They are special, or not ??
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I don't think that a separate property for "famous" (for whatever definition of fame someone wants to use) professors is a good idea for the types in the commons domains. We don't separate "famous" alumni, or "famous" employees in other industries separately. I can see where it would be interesting to find out about them, but have a duplicate property would mean that either the data had to be entered twice or the information about an institution's faculty would be stored differently in two places, making it harder to query that data. If you (or someone) wanted to create a "Notable Professor" type in a private domain that delegated some of the properties from the education/empolyment models, though, I think that would be a very interesting way to do this.
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Yes, "Notable" or "Eminent Professors" would do very well. I started a "Teaching type" but have no clue how to go on from here. I would have liked to see the "Students/Graduates" and the "Professors" at a glance though
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University Systems (such as the University of North Carolina or University of California) don't seem to be fully supported. These are certainly not "Colleges" or "Universities." I would call them "Educational Institutions," but those don't currently permit member institutions. (Both of these are marked as "College/University" right now for this reason.)
There's a bunch of crap here. For example, a lot of people seem to be marked as students of "University of North Carolina" (which I've just renamed to "University of North Carolina System" to reduce confusion) when they probably should have been marked as students of "UNC Chapel Hill" (the school most often intended when people refer to "University of North Carolina").
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If we fixed "educational institution" so that it had both parent and subsidiary institutions, would that fix the problem? Or do you think that a university system is more distinct, and should have a separate type?
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I think either approach would work well. A lot of educational institutions have components ("campuses," "schools," or "departments"), so it seems reasonable to me to support this in the most generic fashion.
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I'm wondering where to put graduate programs or even more informal educational »institutions« that have an 'identity' but at the same time behave like events.
An example of the former: the »arts, computation, engineering« graduate program at UC Irvine (http://ace.uci.edu/)
for the latter: http://framework.v2.nl/archive/archive/node/event/default.xslt/nodenr-153980 (a master class called »Making Art of Databases« which is decidedly *not* part of any formal program, yet educational in nature).-
That's a good question. I could imagine a type called something like "master class" or "seminar" (or something else that would encompass those ideas) for educational events, one-off classes, etc., and the education domain makes sense as a home for these sorts of things. I'm not entirely sure what properties it should have, but if you want to try to model it in your private domain, you could test out the structure there and we could migrate it the root-level education domain once it's ready.
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Yep. I'm going to try these ideas in my domain. We'll see where I get.
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I might be missing it, but we don't seem to have a principle property for schools, I thought this would be a useful addition. On that note, the position of head (teacher) of a school may go by other names around the world.
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This should be added using the "employees" property. If that property is missing, add "employer" as a type to the school. This allows not only principals/headmasters/etc. to be included, but all other staff and faculty as well, without requiring a separate property or label for each type of employee. All educational institutions should have "employer" as a type as well, but many of them don't because they were created before the employer type existed.
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What about a Subject type that has properties like branches, topics covered, etc; like Math as a subject, with Geometry and Calculus as branches or sub-
subjects, Euclidian Geometry as a sub-subject, Right Triangles, Derivitives, and Pythagoerean Theorem as topics covered or what have you.
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This domain is more about institutions and methods, so topics about the teaching of math could arguably be put in here, but topics specific to an area of study such as the ones you suggest should go in their own domain. I don't think there's currently a mathematics domain, but some of the other sciences are being built out.
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